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highmeh
12-16-2007, 05:59 PM
Introduction

-What is "Bugging Out?"
Bugging Out is defined as leaving a disaster or evacuation area for safety. Bugging Out can be as simple as a camp in a deserted area while riots, fires, etc die down, and can be as complex as building semi-permanent shelter in "No-Man's Land" to wait out a natural disaster, military coup/invasion, or other potentially harmful situation.

- What is a "Bug Out Bag?"
Wikipedia defines a "Bug-out Bag" as follows:
A Bug-Out Bag is a portable kit containing all of the items one would require to survive for seventy two hours after evacuating from a disaster. It is also known as a 72hr kit, emergency kit and disaster supplies kit. The focus on evacuation, rather than survival, distinguishes the bug-out bag from a survival kit.

- Why the thread?
The purpose of this thread is to discuss realistic bug-out bags, bug-out plans, and bug-out vehicles. While anyone will tell you that bringing a firearm for self-defense and hunting food is important, for the purposes of this thread let's stay away from giant packs stuffed full of loaded 30 round mags and ARFCOM fapfest setups.

- Getting Started
a. "Ten Essentials"
Back in the 1930s, a group called The Mountaineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaineering:_The_Freedom_of_the_Hills) out of Seattle, Washington, put together a list of 10 basic and critical survival items to carry whenever backpacking, mountaineering, or climbing. They considered this the bare minimum that each person should carry. When packed properly, these items take up almost no space or weight on a person:



1. Map
2. Compass (optionally supplemented with a GPS receiver)
3. Sunglasses and sunscreen
4. Extra food and water
5. Extra clothes
6. Headlamp/flashlight
7. First aid kit
8. Fire starter
9. Matches
10. Knife


Many folks still consider this the absolute minimum for survival. These items should be the first ones in your pack. In addition, The Mountaineers suggested some "Supplemental" items if you have the luxury of time:



- Water treatment device (water filter or chemicals) and water bottles
- Ice axe for glacier or snowfield travel (if necessary)
- Repair kit, including duct tape and a basic sewing materials.
- Insect repellent (or clothing designed for this purpose)
- Signaling devices, such as a whistle, cell phone, two-way radio,
unbreakable signal mirror or flare.
- Plastic tarp and rope for field expedient shelter.


Obviously certain items will vary depending on your location; for instance, one would carry a woodsmans axe or hatchet rather than an Ice Axe if one lived in a warm climate where snow was a non-issue.

b. "Firearms and Weapons"
A savvy reader will notice that firearms and personal protection weapons were not listed above. This is largely a situational and personal choice. When bugging out to an unfamiliar area, it would behoove you to bring a a firearm for protection, signaling, and harvesting of food.

i. Pistol in .380 - .44 Magnum
A pistol is a great tool for personal protection from two-legged threats, as well as emergency close-up work with animals. A pistol is not, in most situations, an ideal hunting platform. It is highly recommended to bring a pistol as a means of defense.

ii. Rifle in .22lr
A .22 rifle, especially breakdown-type, is ideal for bugout situations. Though not suited for personal protection, it can be used effectively for small-game hunting (rabbits, squirrels, ground-birds, etc). Ammunition is light and inexpensive, and more importantly, takes up very little room in a pack. One can add a 550 round brick of .22lr to a backpack without much noticable increase in pack weight. While not exceptionally loud, a .22 rifle can be heard from moderate distances if signaling is required

iii. Rifle in a larger, centerfire caliber
Rifles in larger centerfire calibers should be strongly considered as well. While Red-Dawn "Wolverines!" situations will be rather unlikely, rifles can be used for larger game (Deer, Coyote, Wild Pig, etc). If you plan on bugging out with others, or organizing a large meeting spot, hunting larger game would be another consideration. One rabbit doesn't feed as many starving people as one deer. The downside to a rifle, besides its size and inability to conceal while escaping a conflict/evacuation zone, is that ammunition is typically heavy and somewhat bulky. Plan accordingly, and avoid taking your AK47 and fifty loaded mags.

vi. Shotgun
A shotgun is perhaps the ideal bug-out weapon. #7 Bird shot shells can be used to hunt small game and birds, 00-Buckshot provides a very effective close-range self defense solution, and 1oz rifled slugs can take large game inside 100 yards. Pump or Coach/Over-Under style shotguns take out the jam-factor that semi-automatic firearms face when used for prolonged periods in harsh and dirty environments. A shotgun is also appropriate for signaling.

Whatever you choose to bring, consider a few things:
a. How much ammunition will you NEED, and how common will it be to find more? A rifle in .257 Roberts may be your ideal choice when hunting game, but can ammunition be easily found at local gun shops or hardware stores?
b. What are the plans for your group? There is little sense in bringing 4 centerfire rifles with 4 different calibers; try to standardize the caliber your group will use, and pool your resources
c. A small cleaning kit and bottle of CLP/Hoppes will go a long way in keeping your firearm working in the wild.
d. A small package of balloons or condoms in your pack weigh nothing but can keep grime and water out of your barrel, and can be fired-through without damage to your firearm or alteration of the projectile's path

c. Food and Water: Because Rachel Ray doesn't live in a forest lean-to
i. Food
The human body is an amazing thing. Rooted deep in our survival instinct is the ability to conserve and store fat and burn it later as energy; some have been known to survive for up to 73 days (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_strike#Irish_republicans) before succumbing to death from lack of food. Of course, this is not gospel and certainly should be avoided. Doctors generally state that the body can go 4-6 weeks without food, under ideal environmental conditions, adequate hydration, and the will to keep going. During your Bug-Out, ideally you should be in a stable area with food and water within a 3 day window. Remember, you aren't living out of your pack, you're using it to get you to safety.

So what are the ramifications of under-nourishment? Survivaltopics.com (www.survivaltopics.com) lists the following signs and results:


* Irritability
* Low moral
* Lethargy
* Physical Weakness
* Confusion and disorientation
* Poor judgment
* Weakened immune system
* Inability to maintain body temperature which can lead to hypothermia, heat exhaustion, or even heat stroke.

Obviously, not things you want to deal with when trying to survive. So what do you put in the pack? Any hiker, camper, or mountaineer can tell you all about the benefits of GORP - Good Old Raisins and Peanuts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorp). GORP is lightweight, energy-rich, and dirt cheap. It's also a desiccant by nature, meaning it won't go bad on you after being stored in your bug-out bag for months or more. Dried Fruits also provide essential nutrients and energy to keep you going. Even dehydrating strips of beef or other meats for Jerky is a light and energy-rich way to go.

Many, many products exist to help facilitate survival; everything from Emergency Food Tablets (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?M5COPY%2Ectx=20216&M5%2Ectx=3402&siteID=rYFoo99K9Go-OV0SfLtca55Khdr148%2F91Q) to Mountain House Dehydrated Meals (www.mountainhouse.com) exist on the market and will keep you going in rough times. Foraging for food in the wild varies wildly depending on your location the climate, etc. Entire books have been written on the subject and that isn't the purpose of this thread; however, a great set of guidelines exists to safely test a food's edibility:

http://230grain.com/images/rsrh/edibility-test.gif

Another good rule of thumb: If indigenous animals are eating it, it's probably safe for you to eat. There are obvious exceptions to this, but it may at least lead you into the right direction.

ii. Water
How much water do you have allocated? Is it enough? Here is your answer: No. Water should take up the bulk of the weight in your bug-out bag. Studies show that the human body needs a gallon a day, per person, of water to survive in stressful or outdoor situations. Do the math; one gallon of water weighs 8.3lbs, so we're talking about adding nearly 25 pounds to your pack. It's imperative that your bug-out location include ready access to water. Bring water purification tables or a purification device in your bag; water, unlike food, is one thing you do not want to ration.

The Human Body can go 3 days without water. However, dehydration begins quickly when engaged in strenuous conditions; running, hiking, building shelter, or being in the heat. Symptoms of dehydration in it's cruelest form (about 10% hydration loss) are:



* Muscle spasms
* Vomiting
* Racing pulse
* Shriveled skin
* Dim vision
* Painful urination
* Confusion
* Difficulty breathing
* Seizures
* Chest and Abdominal pain
* Unconciousness
* Death


I'll repeat again: Bug Out to a location with Water. Flowing water is best if it can be found; water that is flowing is typically safer to drink than standing water. If sterilization tablets, tubes, or a fire on which to boil are available, use them even if the water is flowing. Collect and horde water at any opportunity and make it a priority in your bag.

d. Fire in the Hole
Few things have such a profound mental affect as a well-burning fire. Besides battling hypothermia and cold, keeping away predatory animals, and cooking your food, there is a very relaxing and nurturing effect that will calm you down and get your mind thinking straight. After water, fire and shelter should be your next priority. In your bag should be several waterproof matches in a sealed container or double-zip-lock bag. Toss in a lighter or three for good measure as well. Many people will include a firestarter (http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0003883511099a.shtml) - this is fine; however the entire point of a bug-out-bag is to make life in the field easy on you. Don't bring a firestarter INSTEAD of matches and a lighter, bring it in addition to these.

Firestarting material is also very important. Materials such as kleenex or cotton balls burn very well; theyre also extremely light. However, survivalists recommend a very common, free, seemingly endless material to start your fires: Dryer Lint. Peel some off your lint tray, stick it in a plastic zip-lock, and you have a very large quantity of easy-to-burn material. Adding a bit of vasoline to the dryer lint and balling it up makes the lint burn hotter. You'll want to collect fairly thin, somewhat dry branches as well, to get the fire going after you've started the lint. Pro Tip: A small, managable, well-maintained fire is much better than a gigantic uncontrollable fire that will keep you up all night feeding branches in to it. Put a large rock or two, or a tall log in front of the fire, to reflect the heat back at you.

Keep a decent pile of green branches and leaves nearby as well; if you need to signal, these will burn a very black smoke, and make your location obvious to anyone looking for you. On the other hand, if you are bugging out, you may not want to be found...


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Thanks for reading this far, Part II tomorrow...
:durr:

Charlie
12-16-2007, 11:09 PM
Steel wool makes an awesome first fire material, and Potassium Permanganate and Glycerin (kept separate until fire is desired) makes for a hot, easy to use, and relatively water proof binary fire starting system.

Nitrogen
12-17-2007, 12:00 AM
If you've got a GPS Receiver, put waypoints you care about in it beforehand. (your house, inlaws house, places to forage for food, water, guns, ammo, etc.)

Some natural disasters (hurricanes, floods) might totally render any roads and road signs unreadable or worse.

Scarecrow411
12-17-2007, 02:02 AM
If you've got a GPS Receiver, put waypoints you care about in it beforehand. (your house, inlaws house, places to forage for food, water, guns, ammo, etc.)

Your inlaws?

Really though, this is just a placeholder for an upcoming picture filled thread.

Nitrogen
12-17-2007, 02:13 AM
Your inlaws?

Really though, this is just a placeholder for an upcoming picture filled thread.

Sorry, I guess I need to tell Clinotus to add "JOKE" tags. :durr:

Biaxident
12-18-2007, 02:32 PM
Very nice write-up. I've never gotten through an ARFcom write-up on BOB's because they're pretty dumb and focus far too much on firearms.

LoungieMu
12-28-2007, 02:29 AM
I hadn't thought of using GPS waypoints for caches, that's rather clever. I just recently got a GPS unit, and I'm learning the ropes on outdoor nav.

As for the food situation, Mainstay (http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php?cPath=147_183&products_id=385) makes some awesome stuff. I keep two of their 3600 kits in my BOB, which measures out to be six days of food, taken at a caloric deficit. It's very good stuff for space-concious food choices, and it tastes pretty good too.

Scarecrow411
12-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Okay, quick and dirty pictures are up. Sorry, nothing so snazzy as Miso Beno's work. Item/Descriptions no longer match exactly, but should get your thoughts churning.

This thread needs more mindset. The big component of a bug out bag isn't anything you pick up off the shelf, it's the plan that gets your to where you're going. It's far to easy to supplement hard earned skills and experience with false confidence and equipment. Let the situation drive the gear requirements and not the other way around.

Lets identify what we need to get accomplished, we'll start broad and then get narrow:

When the SHTF, where are you going? Do you have a bug out location? Do you need to link up with family members? If the nature of the event does not require evacuation, would you rather bug in at home?


I expect like most of us, being able to get home first would be a huge boon. It makes for a convenient link up spot for other family members and of course you can house more supplies at home then you can in a bag.

How long will it take you to get to that location, by foot?


Where ever you're headed first, how long will it take you get there on foot? Ideally you'll be taking a vehicle, but there's plenty of reasons why you might end up on foot. Determining how long you'll be traveling sets the bar for how much food and water you'll need. The distance coupled with the terrain will also determine what additional support you may need.

What's the weather going to be like?


Unless you live in an area where the weather remains constant you're going to need two or more load outs. Warm weather, cold weather, rainy season, etc. Determine what's required for these seasons and package them up separately. As the seasons change, change the load out.

What are the likely disasters you'll face?


We'd all love to fight zombies and giant ants, but it's never going to happen. How likely are hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, civil unrest and those dastardly terrorists? To be honest, unless you work near a tasty target, the threat of direct terrorism is low. That doesn't mean that you should ignore the potential fallout from terrorism (dirty bombs, chemical attacks) but weight your load out accordingly.

Lets apply this:

If whatever event occurs does not require immediate evacuation, bugging in at home is the best option.

I live in a suburb of Los Angeles. This makes my primary concern an earthquake. In my masturbatory gun-nut fantasies it could be terrorists or riots, but as I said - I'm in a suburb, which puts me out of harms way for most of that stuff.

If there was an earthquake odds I have a 50% chance of being within 5 miles of home - my primary work location is that close. There's a 25% chance I'll be at my primary bug out location already (Score!) And the remaining 25% puts me in downtown Los Angeles. My only other family member is capable of getting either home or to our primary bug out location easily - she'll require no direct help from me. Given the odds, my worse case scenario puts me in the heart of everything I'd want to avoid (Downtown Los Angeles) so this is what I need to plan for.

Lets take a look at good ol' LA. Lot's of people. Lots of traffic. Lots of distance. Typical weather is too damn hot. So, to extrapolate - I'm looking at up to a 30 mile hike in 100* heat surrounded by scared and angry people. It could be worse - it could be humid.

Generic Bag Preparation

A word on packing, load outs and supply caches. Most of my kits supplement the next kit down the line with a little overlap. When you're packing your bags the stuff you'll need quick and easy (medical, field tools) go in the outer pockets or on top of the stuff you won't need frequently (food, etc) in the main compartment. Mentally review the multiple uses for the items you pack and remember to temper your enthusiasm with common sense. 200' of 550 cord is a bit much. So is 300 rounds for your handgun. Where ever possible (at the office, in your trunk, at home) keep a cache of water and food on top of whatever is in your bag. Exhaust these supplies first. If these supplies are not exhausted by the time you move on, pack what you can and move on. You can try to carry some stuff, but in general if it's not packed and slung you're going to get tired of carrying it down the line.

OMG! It's time to bug!

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1589/lanukeyo5.th.gif (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lanukeyo5.gif)

So in the event of an emergency what do I do? I hop in my car and join the flood of cars already on the road. The cars got AC, radio, and a cache of food water and other support I'll need. Now it's entirely possible that at some point traffic will cease to move, my car may over heat, heck I may even run out of gas. What do I have to support me while I'm in my car? 2 gallons of water, some dry snacks, clothes, maps and my GHB.

Traffic turning into one giant snarl is a very real possibility, so as much as I'd like to stick with my car at some point I may have to abandon it. What to do if I have to bail on foot? Change into comfortable clothes, put on a hat, drink as much as possible, fill my two hydration bladders and get to walking. The GHB doubles as my hiking bag and contains what I need for two days. It is supplemented by my EDC, but items overlap for redundancy.

Between my car and feet I should be able to get home. If for some reason going home is not an option then I have margin enough to make it to my primary bug out location (BOL.) There's a good reason to want to get home though. I have provisions stored for three weeks, comfort and security. A few dependable folks have plans for link up and agreed SOP's for bugging in and bugging out. If we decide to bug in we have enough supplies and knowledge to do so indefinately. If we have to bug out we have four locations and plans in place to reach them.

The final key here is the "I'm never coming home" (INCH) bag. This bag contains long term travel equipment. I'll not go into detail on this one, because it's components are largely the same for the GHB plus some additional camping gear.

Bugging In

The deal here is to be low profile and attract as little attention as possible. If you have a support group in place it's neccesary to schedule communications and coordinate link ups. My group is set to meet at a central location 72 hours after the event. If the local situation is dangerous, the meet location will double as our communal Bug In Location. If the local situation is close to normal, we'll schedule our next meeting and return to our individual locations. We have SOPs for dealing with authoritative (National Guard, Police, etc) and non-authoritative (loose civillians) contacts while we're in. There's also contingencies for fire and secondary disasters.

If the situation becomes untenable, we have SOPs in place for bugging out by vehicle and on foot.

Bags! Bags! Bags! Guns!

All of this discussion on a gun board and not one mention of a gun? How could this happen? Here's the deal, rolling in a MOLLE ninja rig with your AR slung will create all sorts of pain for you. Talking with guys who spent some time in NOLA after Katrina about their ROE and the frequency they used the phrase "...like a felony traffic stop" the lower profile you can be, the better off you'll be. It's important to realise you aren't fighting a war. You're job is to secure your survival by breaking contact whenever neccesary - not by getting stuck in.

what do I have to help me get home safe?

Every Day Carry (EDC)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3466/edclj8.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=edclj8.jpg)

Cell phone, wallet, knife, OC, flashlight, keys, lighter and cigarettes.

Work Bag

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9758/edc2lw6.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=edc2lw6.jpg)

This is a small black machinists bag from Harbor Freight, though CTD has some similar bags (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BAG168-19758-1392.html) in different sizes and colors. When it needs to it sits at the bottom of my black everyday backpack.

It contains a Glock of some sort, 2 magazines, magazine pouch, IWB holster, cleaning/repair kit, G2-Z (http://www.1sks.com/cgi-bin/sc/productsearch.cgi) flashlight, spare carrier (http://www.1sks.com/cgi-bin/sc/productsearch.cgi?storeid=*1e73f078c60d34a42760e4a 64d8f22b8cb), big "fuck off" knife (http://www.1sks.com/store/cold-steel-27lt-recon-1.html), smaller "get fucked" knife, and a box of ammo. This isn't an immediate action, go fight bag, just convenient bag for transport.

Warbag

This moderate duffle bag contains supplies needed for a fight.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4247/870iiialx8.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=870iiialx8.jpg)

A folding stock 870 and lvl 3a vest of dubious quality. Flannel sheets are warm, but optional.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/999/war1sr3.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=war1sr3.jpg)

This is an EOD bag (http://www.countycomm.com/minebag.htm) from County Comms split up into two compartments, Fight and Post-Fight. There's a dump pouch that holds the shotgun shells and another pouch that holds an IFAK. Again, I let my inner ninja get the better of me, if you have the option, get something low profile.


Fight:

Three magazines for my pistol (30 rounds)
Main supply pouch - 6 slugs, 6 buck; this is where the shotgun gets loaded from.
18 Shells of 00 Buck - in the dump pouch on the front; this is where the shotgun gets reloaded from.
Ka-Bar (http://www.1sks.com/store/ka-bar-knives-complete.html)
Centurion C2 (http://www.1sks.com/cgi-bin/sc/productsearch.cgi?storeid=*1e73f078c60d34a42760e4a 64d8f22b8cb) - Light is important.
OC - Not everyone needs shooting.

Post-fight:

IFAK (http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2417&osCsid=1637a12dfcd6c543c3f40b0408d1a0ec)- First aid to keep someone alive in the event of traumatic injury.
Red Sharpee + Note Pad - Sometimes you have to write.
ASP disposable restraints - Not everyone needs shooting.
Plastic Door Stop - holds doors open, holds doors shut.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2304/war2gc5.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=war2gc5.jpg)

Get Home Bag (GHB)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2210/ghbvl2.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghbvl2.jpg)

This bag is the one that supports me on my walk home. It's a Maxpedition Falcon II (http://www.1sks.com/store/maxpedition-falcon-2-backpack.html), with my ouchie kit mounted on one side and an IFAK on the other. It does have a dedicated bladder pocket, but it's large enough, and I've packed light enough, that a second bladder (http://www.1sks.com/store/camelbak-storm.html) can be held in the main compartment without a problem.

Me and this bag go hiking a few times a week, on short hikes that second bladder is replaced with a 25 lb weight. My only complaint is that the bag is a little too high speed looking. If you have the option, get something that looks a little lower profile.

Contents:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3240/ghbouchieiz7.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghbouchieiz7.jpg)

Medical:

Icy/Hot, Babypowder, Ace Bandage - Keep me walking.
Purell (Doubles as firestarter - thanks Survivorman!),
Dustmask (Earthquakes kick up dust, especially in the hills, which is bad (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9501E6D7113BF937A15751C0A9629582 60).)
Sunblock, Excedrin (damn Migraines), Ibuprofen, Bayer, Asprin - I'm no superhero, I'm going to hurt and be sore.
burn gel, bandaids, gauze, tape - always good to have.
IFAK/Blow out kit - just incase something really bad happens.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3396/ghbfpjx7.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghbfpjx7.jpg)

Barter and Morale:

$200 in small bills, A pack of cigarettes. - Personal consumption, but also barter.
2 lighters, matches, new fangled "swiss steel" firestarter - Not that I expect to need a fire, but you never know.
Pocket Partner (http://www.thepocketpartner.com/), Ranger Handbook - Reference and motivational reading while resting.

Other Stuff:

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3 MRE's (I figure I could eke this out to 6 days worth at half rations), 1L of water in bottles (could be used as barter), surefire carrier (http://www.1sks.com/cgi-bin/sc/productsearch.cgi?storeid=*1e73f078c60d34a42760e4a 64d8f22b8cb) (6 batteries + spare lamp), Cheap LED light, Fixed blade knife (http://www.1sks.com/store/cold-steel-recon-tanto.html), El Cheapo Karambit, A Towel (Don't Panic!), trash bags, Gerber Multitool.

There's stuff missing from my kit, but I think I've identified most of it and will pick it up over the next couple of weeks.

Jesus Christ! Information Overload!

Take a deep breath. It didn't happen yesterday, it probably won't happen tomorrow. The first step requires $20 and a bottle of beer. Step 1: Get a few bottles of water and throw them in your trunk. Open the beer, sit down and start planning.

You don't need to get everything done all at once, just budget a small amount a month to spend and build slowly. Look around the house and see what you have that you can already use. Once you've got a bag together to get you to where your going in the event of an emergency, spend $40 and get some additional supplies you can stash in your car. From there, every time you go grocery shopping pick up some canned goods.

highmeh
12-29-2007, 02:53 AM
Scarecrow, you've changed a lot of my outlook on bugging out. It's great to see a perspective that isnt "Go to a forest and do some extreme camping."

I'm going to start building a proper bag this month. Right now i have a "get home" kit in the car, basically a backpack with firestating tools, clothes, food, water, knife, cb radio, flashlight, and some other items. I plan on making a complete "in-case-shit" pack based partially on your recommendations.

Two things that came to mind that have not yet been mentioned:

1) Do you take prescription medication? In addition to aspirin and pain relievers, these should be in your bag. I've been stockpiling some here and there (Thanks, Blue Cross!) and have about 5 days worth. I have them in an old medicine bottle, with the labels affixed.

2) How's the ol' eyesight? I personally am legally blind in the state of California without my glasses. Losing them, or having them break during an emergency, would be completely devastating. Fortunately, http://www.zennioptiacl.com can ship you prescription glasses for about $9. Yeah, nine dollars. I've got a pair now and while they're not the greatest in the world, they are nine dollars, and might make the difference between bugging out and sitting on the side of the road weeping. Buy a pair and toss 'em in your bag.

dw33b
12-30-2007, 05:01 PM
I've got a bunch of random files dealing with bugging out from Argentina and Sarajevo survivors.

Thank the gods I store random files blocks of text in livejournal, I almost lost this:

Survival Tips From Sarajevo
100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance ect.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled ect.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, ect. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, ect.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, ect
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffle Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, ect.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, ect
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, ect.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, ect. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, ect.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, ect,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, ect.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98.Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry upappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches.
9. More matches

Cyrano 4747
01-01-2008, 04:28 PM
This has been pretty implicit in a lot of what Scarecrow and Highmeh posted, but it bears repeating and stressing: the #1 best survival tool that you own is the one between your ears.

Having $10,000 worth of fancy camping equipment, enough MREs to last you until doomsday, and the ultimate in survival rifles won't do you a bit of good in the world if you don't know how to build a fire, read a map and use a compass, or construct basic shelter.

Some of this will of course be different depending on where you live. Highmeh's "escape from LA" scenario doesn't really require much knowledge of building snow caves, for example, but someone living in the parts of the US and Canada that get yearly annual snowfall in excess of 5 feet should know that as a basic "holy shit my car broke down in the middle of nowhere at 3 am" survival skill.

Take the time to not only buy, arrange, and store this stuff but also learn how to use it. Take a first aid course. Learn how to navigate with a map and compass. Buy USGS maps of areas you're likely to be in. Learn some basic outdoors survival skills. Buy some Army field manuals - they're actually pretty good at teaching you basic survival techniques.

Also, don't just sit around with your pack ready to go. Take it camping at least a few times a year, and not rv-park "camping." Go out and spend a few nights out in the woods or, at the very lest, in a state or national park campground that rates its facilities as "primitive." Take that pack on a 10-15 mile hike. Nothing helps you figure out what, exactly, you need and don't need like having to haul it 15 miles on your back. As much as we all love our guns, and one should be part of your kit, you'll very quickly realize why a featherweight plastic furniture carbine in an intermediate cartridge might be a little preferable to a huge hunk of steel and wood that uses heavy rifle caliber ammunition.

Scarecrow411
01-02-2008, 02:55 AM
If you're in an urban area, get a Thomas Guide. If you're rural, or like to hike go here and do this:

http://store.usgs.gov/locator/

You can download them and get a snazzy plug-in to plot stuff and print them out. I'm not Captain Orienteering, but I know enough to get me back to civilization. On another board someone mentioned that in a storm (wind, water or snow) it's easy for street signs to get damaged.

Cyrano's point on weight is very valid. Some weight you expect to drop (water and food) and so it's up to you to determine how much you want to pack. Right now my pack with both bladders full is ~20 lbs. At the end of a days walk, It'll be down to 17lbs if I ration. Instead of looking at what to add to your bag, take some time to figure out what you can remove from your bag.

My first BoB included 100' of rope, e-tool, sling shot, a box of nutrigrain bars, two cans of chili (and oddly enough no way to open the cans or cook them), a 3 gallon jug of water, and some playing cards. Go through iterations of practice, theory and refinement.

highmeh
01-16-2008, 12:46 AM
Over the past few weeks I've been slowly adding to my Bug-out-Bag. Here it is in it's semi-finished glory; any critiques would be highly appreciated:

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Legend:
1. Remington 870 Shotgun: 870 Express Magnum, Wood Stock set, +2 Mag Tube by Scattergun Technologies. Brings the total to 6+1. Light clamp with a Mag-Lite that needs to be replaced with a Surefire. 20" BBL by Mossberg (yeah, they make remmy barrels). Green fiber optic bead sight.

2. Generic Mag-Lite w/Clamp: Needs to be replaced with a SureFire, but it works for now. Can be easily removed to provide light without gun.

3. Leatherman Wave: Multitool; handy in all situations, bugging out/in included.

4. Speer Gold-Dot Hollowpoints: 9mm GDHP ammunition, 20 rounds. 115grain, sealed in zip-lock bag to avoid moisture. Disposable earplugs taped to box (they weigh nothing)

5. Gun cleaning tools: generic "red rag," Remington Gun Oil/Cleaner

6. Improvised First-Aide Kit: Band-Aids, Bandage, Antiseptic, cleaning supplies, larger bandages. Toilet paper. 12 Excedrin extra-strength, 3 day supply of prescription meds. Extra pair of prescription glasses.

7. Emergency Blanket: Retains heat, can be used as signaling or shelter. 53"x82"

8. Shotgun Shells: a few 1oz slugs, a few 00 Buckshot, a few target shot. In #1, the shotgun is loaded with 6+1 00 Federal Buckshot (9 pellet)

9. Dryer Lint, Kinetic Flashlight, Sharp Knife: Dryer lint as fire tinder, kinetic light (LED) generates decent amounts of light without the need for batteries (pump the handle a few times for 10-15min light), knife is Kershaw Ken Onion Blackout for one-handed opening

10. Lighter & Matches: Two, individually packaged Lighter/Matches combos. 32 Matches, one Butane Lighter each. Why two? Why risk breaking/soaking one? Fire is important, and Southern California is wet. Takes up little space and no weight in the pack.

11. Springfield XD: 4" Service Model in 9mm, in generic nylon IWB holster.

12. Mechanix gloves: Warmth, improved grip, thin enough to shoot with them on

13. USMC KA-BAR Knife: Cutting branches, or whatever. If it's good enough for the Marines, it's good enough for me.

14. Paracord: Helps build improvised shelter, tie additional gear to the pack in a pinch, improvised belt or shoelaces...its light and worthwhile.

15. Documents: Maps of my probable bug-out area, wildlife identification and tracking guide, small compas/thermometer that needs to be upgraded

16. Hat: Keep the sun out of my eyes, keep warm, advertise that I paid $35 to receive hilarious amounts of snail mail. This is just the first one I grabbed, I probably wouldn't advertise NRA membership if I were bugging out.

17. Flask of 190 Proof Everclear: No, not to drink, but Everclear is highly flammable and makes an excellent wound cleaner/disinfectant. Flask could be used to reflect sunlight for signaling in a pinch.

18. CB Radio: Portable, lightweight, effective range 1 mile. Can be used to communicate or listen in to communications, or tune into channel 9 (emergency band) to get help where cellular communication isn't available.

19. Water: Two Litres of water, bottles to collect more.

20. ???: I'm in IT, not Finance. Bite me.

21: Eastpak Backpack: Their motto is "Built to Resist," and it's the truth. Holds up well, contains 1 Haynes sweatshirt (Not pictured) to keep warm.

22: Food: This is seriously lacking; 4 multigrain bars, 6 small packs of raisins. Need to add MREs and/or other food that will last.



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Every Day Carry:
Not labeled for your convenience!

CRKT M16-13Z Knife.
Verizon LG Cell Phone
Keys
Small Screwdriver (Yeah I work in IT, shut up)
Indestructible (stolen-from-work) Pen
Wallet containing hilariously small amount of bills